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Post by Screagle1214 on Jan 20, 2024 19:58:00 GMT -6
Do you see the roster we have? Yes, the coaching staff assembles the roster but the transition to D1 severely hampers your ability to bring in legitimate talent. What if you had your way, they cleaned out the entire staff, we hire ?? and then lose more games. Then what? This season is a write off. Just enjoy the entertainment, support our guys and look forward to next year. Thr roster will be 100% different in this new landscape. It kills me to read this board and everyone is always so negative. Did you expect to win the conference this year? We're not an immediate D1 juggernaut. These types of seasons separate real fans to fair weather imo. Stan has work to do but always calling for people to be fired is so exhausting. He’s been a mediocre D2 coach his entire career. Can you really say he’s been good since he’s been here? He's working through a D2 --> D1 transition. It's not the same as just coaching against D2 competition. I'd recommend looking into what these head coaches have to deal with now with this ridiculous NIL/Transfer Portal wild west environment that now exists. If you're a recruit - are you really excited to go play for a team that literally can't qualify for anything? It's not as easy as you think.
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Post by eaglepride on Jan 20, 2024 20:11:36 GMT -6
We are now next to last to ex bottom feeder GLVC member Lindenwood. Meanwhile D3 to D1 transition St Thomas is competing for a league title. How much longer are you willing to give this staff? I would move on at year end because we can’t afford to get worse. Do you see the roster we have? Yes, the coaching staff assembles the roster but the transition to D1 severely hampers your ability to bring in legitimate talent. What if you had your way, they cleaned out the entire staff, we hire ?? and then lose more games. Then what? This season is a write off. Just enjoy the entertainment, support our guys and look forward to next year. Thr roster will be 100% different in this new landscape. It kills me to read this board and everyone is always so negative. Did you expect to win the conference this year? We're not an immediate D1 juggernaut. These types of seasons separate real fans to fair weather imo. Stan has work to do but always calling for people to be fired is so exhausting. I do admit I overhyped these players and I was glad the players played hard today and it's not the losing that bothers me it the drama. This year Tilman said "see ya" Powell didn't play against SIUE last years team underachieved even on another's fan forum, I can't remember whos, that with all that talent USI should have won at least 20 games. Then you have the drama of the 2021-22, that underachieved, team that Stan kick off 3 players. I don not know much of the 2020-21 team but it seems at least 3 of the 4 years there has been drama on the men's basketball team.
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Post by shorthaircut on Jan 20, 2024 20:12:45 GMT -6
He’s been a mediocre D2 coach his entire career. Can you really say he’s been good since he’s been here? He's working through a D2 --> D1 transition. It's not the same as just coaching against D2 competition. I'd recommend looking into what these head coaches have to deal with now with this ridiculous NIL/Transfer Portal wild west environment that now exists. If you're a recruit - are you really excited to go play for a team that literally can't qualify for anything? It's not as easy as you think. P What did he do here when we were D2? St Thomas went from non-scholarship to D1 and competing for a title this year. Finishing ahead of a terrible basketball program like Lindenwood should not be the goal here. If that is the goal then the decision to go DI was a bad mistake. The head coach has not taken the program forward since replacing Watson. That is a fact.
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Post by EagleScreamin on Jan 20, 2024 20:17:28 GMT -6
I thought this game went about as expected. Vegas had them as a 10 point favorite and we lost by 11. They shot a few more free throws but it was even with about 4 minutes left. We actually shot a better % and we only had 2 more turnovers than they did. Stats were fairly even except they hit 10 3’s to our 4. There is 18 points right there. It was actually 10 to 2 until we hit 2 late in the game.
I thought our effort was great but Morehead just had some better athletes.
We even had a little momentum and were about to cut it to 8 with plenty of time left when they called AJ for an offensive foul during a transition breakaway with the defender running side by side with him. Never saw a call like that in my life.
Still a few games we can win but my major concern is that teams have figured out how to disrupt AJ as he has had a rough few games.
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Post by eagle87 on Jan 20, 2024 20:21:14 GMT -6
Here is my take on all this.
1. We are a transition team and we are limited on how much talent we can get until it’s over 2. Our record sucks, but we don’t…we are playing pretty evenly with teams ranked 200-300 spots ahead of us in all the rankings 3. We lose, but we are in almost every game…even today we cut it to 6 points in the second half 4. The guys are busting their butts so there is no lack of effort 5. I don’t think many coaches could take our players left and do much if any better 6. Just by looks, we physically look like a high school team playing D1 teams with big muscular men…because that’s all we can get during this time 7. An 11 point loss to a top 110 team in all of D1 is hard for anyone, much less a transition team 8. The officials definitely don’t give us a friendly whistle…I believe our opponents have shot a combined 67 free throws in two games…that’s just bulls..t 9. If we are going to suck and lose it might as well be during transition when we can’t go anywhere 10. Yes St Thomas is doing well, but no other transition team is killing it…Bellarmine has a worse record than we do and this is year 4 for them
Ok, I’m done analyzing this one.
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Post by eaglepride on Jan 20, 2024 20:29:52 GMT -6
I thought this game went about as expected. Vegas had them as a 10 point favorite and we lost by 11. They shot a few more free throws but it was even with about 4 minutes left. We actually shot a better % and we only had 2 more turnovers than they did. Stats were fairly even except they hit 10 3’s to our 4. There is 18 points right there. It was actually 10 to 2 until we hit 2 late in the game. I thought our effort was great but Morehead just had some better athletes. We even had a little momentum and were about to cut it to 8 with plenty of time left when they called AJ for an offensive foul during a transition breakaway with the defender running side by side with him. Never saw a call like that in my life. Still a few games we can win but my major concern is that teams have figured out how to disrupt AJ as he has had a rough few games. I am hoping we can win at least two more games this year
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Post by Screagle1214 on Jan 20, 2024 20:31:50 GMT -6
He's working through a D2 --> D1 transition. It's not the same as just coaching against D2 competition. I'd recommend looking into what these head coaches have to deal with now with this ridiculous NIL/Transfer Portal wild west environment that now exists. If you're a recruit - are you really excited to go play for a team that literally can't qualify for anything? It's not as easy as you think. P What did he do here when we were D2? St Thomas went from non-scholarship to D1 and competing for a title this year. Finishing ahead of a terrible basketball program like Lindenwood should not be the goal here. If that is the goal then the decision to go DI was a bad mistake. The head coach has not taken the program forward since replacing Watson. That is a fact. I honestly don't care what other teams are doing. Duke is pretty good, where do we start/stop the comparisons? There will always be outliers/exceptions and I could take the time to find teams that are struggling (ie Bellarmine) like we are [the usual route btw]. St Thomas may be good this year but they could literally win 7 games next year, it happens. It's all moot though. Ask around - year 2 of the move up/transition is the hardest for a team. I understand our reality this year, do you?
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Post by eagle87 on Jan 20, 2024 20:33:11 GMT -6
My goal is still 10 wins. Today doesn’t change that. Morehead is the cream of the crop and winning today would have taken a miracle imo. Let’s get to 10.
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Post by shorthaircut on Jan 20, 2024 20:33:46 GMT -6
I thought this game went about as expected. Vegas had them as a 10 point favorite and we lost by 11. They shot a few more free throws but it was even with about 4 minutes left. We actually shot a better % and we only had 2 more turnovers than they did. Stats were fairly even except they hit 10 3’s to our 4. There is 18 points right there. It was actually 10 to 2 until we hit 2 late in the game. I thought our effort was great but Morehead just had some better athletes. We even had a little momentum and were about to cut it to 8 with plenty of time left when they called AJ for an offensive foul during a transition breakaway with the defender running side by side with him. Never saw a call like that in my life. Still a few games we can win but my major concern is that teams have figured out how to disrupt AJ as he has had a rough few games. I am hoping we can win at least two more games this year The question is what is the expectation of the program. Is winning a few games a year ok? Is beating Lindenwood ok? This league is not a good a league. I get we are in a transition but that is becoming an excuse. Does anyone think this D1 team has the talent of many of our D2 teams?
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Post by shorthaircut on Jan 20, 2024 20:36:55 GMT -6
P What did he do here when we were D2? St Thomas went from non-scholarship to D1 and competing for a title this year. Finishing ahead of a terrible basketball program like Lindenwood should not be the goal here. If that is the goal then the decision to go DI was a bad mistake. The head coach has not taken the program forward since replacing Watson. That is a fact. I honestly don't care what other teams are doing. Duke is pretty good, where do we start/stop the comparisons? There will always be outliers/exceptions and I could take the time to find teams that are struggling (ie Bellarmine) like we are [the usual route btw]. St Thomas may be good this year but they could literally win 7 games next year, it happens. It's all moot though. Ask around - year 2 of the move up/transition is the hardest for a team. I understand our reality this year, do you? You are using Duke as a comparison? This coaching staff has not recruited well….period. They were not as good as prior staff in D2….period. We have kicked off at LEAST 8 players since this staff took over. This is why I am concerned.
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Post by eagle87 on Jan 20, 2024 20:46:56 GMT -6
We have had some great recruits since Stan arrived here…now keeping them has been the issue. Yes that is a concern BUT…I think some of the problem is who is available for us to realistically get during transition. I don’t think saying transition is an excuse…it’s a frigging fact…period. Our hands are tied on who we can get until it’s over…fact.we will get better once we can get better talent to even visit after transition…fact. We will start winning more after we get higher level players…fact. We just have to pay our dues…fact. It’s naive to think we can make the jump to D1 and keep winning 20 plus games every year…fact. I hate losing as I have mentioned before, but I have to remind myself we are starting at ground zero and it’s going to take us a few years to climb to the top.
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Post by Screagle1214 on Jan 20, 2024 20:50:14 GMT -6
I honestly don't care what other teams are doing. Duke is pretty good, where do we start/stop the comparisons? There will always be outliers/exceptions and I could take the time to find teams that are struggling (ie Bellarmine) like we are [the usual route btw]. St Thomas may be good this year but they could literally win 7 games next year, it happens. It's all moot though. Ask around - year 2 of the move up/transition is the hardest for a team. I understand our reality this year, do you? You are using Duke as a comparison? This coaching staff has not recruited well….period. They were not as good as prior staff in D2….period. We have kicked off at LEAST 8 players since this staff took over. This is why I am concerned. Reread the Duke part. It's not a comparison lol. I agree though, you never want to see players kicked off the team. Tillmon being removed this year was unfortunate but I'm not blaming Stan for that. That's on Jordan. I'd encourage you to ask around legitimate sources in the program to find out what happened there. Sometimes guys who bounce from program to program continue to do that. I understand your frustrations with the program for sure but maybe my expectations just aren't as high... yet.
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Post by eaglepride on Jan 20, 2024 20:50:29 GMT -6
I am hoping we can win at least two more games this year The question is what is the expectation of the program. Is winning a few games a year ok? If beating Lindenwood ok? This league is not a good a league. I get we are in a transition but that is becoming an excuse. Does anyone think this D1 team has the talent of many of our D2 teams? The expectation should be to win games and compete for conference championships. Even if we win two more games we have to go back at least 50 years to the 1970's to have a win record worse that we have now. I know we are in transition but look at what Mike Hillyard, Rick Stein, Eric Schoenstein, and Jeff Aucion has done in or second year of transition. Even our swimming program improving and its only our second year. I will have to wait to see how our spring sports do this year. What concerns me about the men's basketball program is the drama. If there is drama every year then nobody would want to play for us even when we are out of the transition.
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Post by eaglepride on Jan 20, 2024 21:03:56 GMT -6
P What did he do here when we were D2? St Thomas went from non-scholarship to D1 and competing for a title this year. Finishing ahead of a terrible basketball program like Lindenwood should not be the goal here. If that is the goal then the decision to go DI was a bad mistake. The head coach has not taken the program forward since replacing Watson. That is a fact. I honestly don't care what other teams are doing. Duke is pretty good, where do we start/stop the comparisons? There will always be outliers/exceptions and I could take the time to find teams that are struggling (ie Bellarmine) like we are [the usual route btw]. St Thomas may be good this year but they could literally win 7 games next year, it happens. It's all moot though. Ask around - year 2 of the move up/transition is the hardest for a team. I understand our reality this year, do you? The women's basketball team would disagree with you, the women's soccer team would disagree with you, the volleyball team would disagree with you about year two of the transition
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Post by Screagle1214 on Jan 20, 2024 21:13:12 GMT -6
I honestly don't care what other teams are doing. Duke is pretty good, where do we start/stop the comparisons? There will always be outliers/exceptions and I could take the time to find teams that are struggling (ie Bellarmine) like we are [the usual route btw]. St Thomas may be good this year but they could literally win 7 games next year, it happens. It's all moot though. Ask around - year 2 of the move up/transition is the hardest for a team. I understand our reality this year, do you? The women's basketball team would disagree with you, the women's soccer team would disagree with you, the volleyball team would disagree with you about year two of the transition I only follow men's basketball and that is what I know it to be true for. I can't speak on other programs/sports. It's also comparing apples to oranges imo. I'm happy for the women succeeding so quickly but I don't expect the same immediate results for men's basketball. They are totally different landscapes.
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